MR. HOFFMAN: What did you think of Steven Miller’s comments last week
that he’s not sure that FATCA’s benefits will outweigh its costs, which
were followed, I believe, followed shortly thereafter, by Nina Olson’s
comments somewhat along a similar vein, concerned about the cost versus
benefits of FATCA? COMMISSIONER KOSKINEN: Well, I think it’s always an
important question if you’re going to make statutory changes and
increase, by definition almost, some burden to some extent. You know,
what do you gain from that? You know, we’ve already collected 6 or 7 —
now over $7 billion in additional revenues that would otherwise not have
been collected just through the offshore voluntary disclosure program.
And, you know, that’s — there the burden was simply people had to come
forward. It was a fairly straightforward process, so there was a fairly
significant amount of money in return. I’ve always thought that
the problem you have is you can’t measure the benefit just by the taxes
you collect. What you have to do is measure the benefit by the overall
impact on the system generally. And what I’ve always been, even before I
got here, concerned about was if the average taxpayer felt I’m paying a
greater burden of supporting the government because rich people with
fancy lawyers and accountants don’t have to pay taxes, they can hide
money in Switzerland. You know, hiding money in Switzerland has been a
visible issue for 50 years. It’s corrosive to compliance and corrosive
to the system. So when you’re going to talk about measuring the benefit,
you can’t look just at the burden and the additional resources we get
out of the filings there. But having said that, there are
indications, not surprisingly, there was a preliminary review that said
between 2011 and 2012 — in fact, you guys reported it — we got 500,000
more returns about foreign accounts with $100 billion of income. And
we’re seeing the same thing in 1099-Ks. But even as we do that, as I
say, and we’re tracking, the voluntary compliance rate is going up as we
go. In some cases, when people match, the revenue goes up, then
suddenly their expenses magically go up. But those are signals that we
can follow. So I think in FATCA, when you look at it, you won’t be
measuring just by the amount of money we collect from the people we
catch. You won’t be measuring it just by the increased reporting and
money we collect from people who now are with the program. Ultimately,
the benefit is, again, protecting the overall compliance rate in the
sense of the average taxpayer that it’s a fair system.
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